Comments on: “The Patriot” by Samuel Johnson http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson Life is tacky. Deal with it! Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Sanity102 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10634 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:50:17 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10634 I under stand your frustration; I just want to caution you that when you vent that frustration without making the distinction between losertarians pretending to be the base and SANE and grown up Republicans, the only thing you do is validate their assertion that there is no difference between the party of Bush and the party of Obama.

You need to tell–and continue to tell everyone who will listen that there is a TRILLION dollar difference…and a support for our military difference…and a respect for life difference…and a balance between middle class workers and the businesses that provide jobs difference.

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By: Carpenter http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10602 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:09:41 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10602 you asked, “Does it really matter if the Founding Fathers were religious or not?”

NO! Not to me. But it does seem to matter to a MINORITY of the ‘religious right’ people. It matters so much to them that they have lied about it for decades. I think they actually believe that God will only bless America only if they are in charge. And did I mention that these people are a small MINORITY?

Ann Coulter debunked the myth that these people control the entire Republican Party many years ago. She did that because the Leftist Media tries to make it look as if Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and James Dobson (and others) own the whole Religious Right.

And you are correct about the Independents! The undecided are the ones who end up electing the President. The undecideds are the key to winning.

Now I might be disappointed with “the current state of the GOP” but I would never vote for a Democrat. Never. Nothing could change my mind. I would never vote for a baby murderer. Period! My vote is already cast. I am pretty much a 1 Party Guy but I live in a State where Republican Votes are frequently tossed out! So my vote doesn’t even count!

Acorn runs the elections in this state and even after they are caught breaking Federal election laws they go free and then they helped elect Obama. To me the whole system is corrupt from top to bottom from left to right. Its just a little less corrupt on the right.

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By: Sanity102 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10601 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:30:28 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10601 The problem is that if you dwell on the negative without making it crystal clear that it is NOT the entire GOP, not even sane religious Republicans, but Losertarians / far right loonies PRETENDING to be the base that dons their self righteous mantra and insist that the Founders were perfect, all enlighten seers instead of good, decent men who may or may not have based their morals upon their faith…you APPEAR to JOIN the Left in telling Independents, how crappy the GOP is and how there is no real difference between the two parties.

Imagine yourself a representative (sales) for a product…how many do you actually expect to sell if you tell the customer how “disappointed” you are and the “lies” that was told?

IF you want to sell the GOP and its agenda to the group that wins elections (the Independents) then you are going to have to start making sure that EVERY positive point is brought out and that every criticism is countered. Begin with this religious thing. Does it really matter if the Founding Fathers were religious or not? They obviously did live in a world that was primarily Christian and much of our rights ARE based on the Christian idea of right and wrong.

What Hannity, Rush, Beck, and Laura preach doesn’t matter; it’s what the Independents believe and hear that does. And the latter DOES NOT care what men long dead believed or thought.

Really.

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By: Carpenter http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10598 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:19:06 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10598 Sanity,
It’s not the ‘WHOLE’ GOP that lies about the Founders and Religion. I am not saying that every Republican is Evil!

Travel with me back in time, just a few decades ago, before the Internet. And what did we see on the Political Religious Right?

Big Haired goofy acting (barely educated) Evangelicals in their flashy clothes, preaching their very own homespun version of Christianity combined with their Republican political views. They claimed to be Prophets and the made big PROFITS while doing so.

Now those 1970′s – 1980′s goofy looking TV Preachers were bad enough! But compared to today (with the 24 hour news cycle and the Internet) the FRAUDS are everywhere and they even look and sound like NORMAL people! Glenn Beck has been pushing Mormonism at Fox News. Hannity has pushed this phony Founders Religion for over a decade with David Barton and CBN and TBN are in on the false religion too! Chuck Norris has even jumped into the Holy Founding movement.

Some of the earlier (1980′s) really Bizarre TV preachers were so strange that no one believed them. Their appearance alone made them a JOKE! But they were CHRISTIANS even if they were a bit misguided. I mean they were basically decent people that meant well. You can’t say that anymore because Rightist Politics has turned into a false Religion.

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By: Sanity102 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10594 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:43:36 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10594 “The lesser of 2 evils is still evil” is like saying there is no difference between a lie and perjury or self defense and murder.

If the GOP’s “great lie” bothers you that much and you feel they are so terribly screwed up, may I suggest that you go and join/create a party you CAN be loyal to and support candidates that you CAN believe in?

That way you can complain about both parties without Independents like me wondering why you stick around a party that you insist is lying to you.

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By: SJ Reidhead http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10593 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:35:30 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10593 At least I’m not the only one doubting this latest revisionism – or perhaps we are witnessing the birth of a new religion. Thank you for your input and for helping me regain my sanity!

I always figured the Founders were flaming liberals. They had to be in order to do what they did. Samuel Johnson represented the conservative point of view.

I do find this current view rather amusing, when I am not bashing my head against the wall in disbelief at the gall of these people.

What gets me about the whole Franklin things was that he and his associates were already tainting the Episcopal church (and trust me, we don’t need any help!). The story of how the Episcopal Church literally suffered through this time frame is fascinating. They could not get a bishop to ordain new priests, confirm new members, or get a group of bishops to even consecrate a bishop for the new country. When they finally did, the two bishops detested one another. It literally took the wisdom of Solomon to keep the church from falling apart. The actual story of keeping the church together during the war is quite inspiring – a true work of faith.

But- I see so little of that faith in our Founders. They were very worldly men – true liberals! You gotta love it. I have so much fun with the far right over that little fact.

One of my ancestors, Thomas Godbey (I get the Godbey’s mixed up) owned a plantation on the James River. He became a Quaker. Once he did he was disgusted about slavery. He was determined to free his slaves, but did not do so until he taught each and everyone of them to read, write, do sums, etc. He then divided his land giving it to them. He and his family took a team of oxen, a couple of horses, the clothes on their back and a change of clothes, and what they could put in a wagon. They left everything else to their former slaves. He then went into Kentucky as a minster.

He was a friend of GW, and is the one who convinced him to free his slaves upon his death. He convinced him that if a man were truly of God, he could not own another human.

I know there was great faith at that time, but I just don’t see it in the “Founding Fathers.” I know from my family history and research that Washington was a man of great faith.

SJR

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By: Carpenter http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10592 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:20:12 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10592 You have to really twist scripture to find these God given American Rights! But it can be done! If you ‘LIBERALLY re-interpret’ the passages so they mean what you need them to mean, you can find anything. Thats what American Political Christianity is all about.

The same goes with our Founding Documents. If you twist them hard enough you can find a god (just not the God of the Bible).

Ben Franklin was raised as an Episcopalian but like many of that time he was caught up in the Age Of Reason – Enlightenment religious beliefs in Deism.

Thomas Jefferson cut all the miracles out of the Bible and had it reprinted like that. Isn’t there a warning in the Bible about taking away from Holy Scripture?

I could go on for hours about the Founders!!

Most of the Founders doubted that Jesus was anything more than just some guy who said a bunch of stuff that helps some people get control over their lives. They didn’t believe in the Virgin Birth or in the Miracles in the Bible. Thats what Deism is and its not that much different than what Liberals think today.

How can you be a Christian if you don’t believe that Jesus was divine? How can you be a Christian if you don’t believe what Jesus Christ taught? How can you be a Christian if you don’t believe the Bible is the inspired word of God?

The answer is you can’t! You can’t be a Christian if you don’t believe the Bible. Its not possible.

You can however be the Founder of a so-called Christian Nation 100′s of years after you death even if you didn’t believe in Jesus.

ONLY IN AMERICA COULD THIS BE POSSIBLE!

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By: SJ Reidhead http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10589 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 07:54:24 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10589 I’m trying to get my snail’s brain around the idea that “Freedom” is a God-given right. That bugs me. I do not have enough of a background in either theology or philosophy to come up with the correct answer. I know that the “God Given Right” thing comes out of the Enlightenment, and is more of a philosophical thing – Natural Law (?) I believe. I can’t come up with anything that is actually Biblical. From what I know, the only God-given rights we have are to Worship Him, and do the John 3:16 thing.

What bothers me is if this current version of “God Given Right” of “Freedom” is so theologically correct, then what about 1800 years of Christians who came before us? If a person is not living in freedom, does that indicate that God has forgotten them? Something stinks here.

I do enjoy your comments.

SJR

What about Franklin? He hung out with the Hell Fire Club when he was in London. They were the founders of modern Satanism. Please, explain how he was “Christian”!

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By: Carpenter http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/2011/01/07/the-patriot-by-samuel-johnson/#comment-10588 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 07:45:07 +0000 http://www.thepinkflamingoblog.com/?p=17575#comment-10588 The biggest (and most disappointing) lie we hear coming from the right is that the Founders were [all] Christians and that this is a Christian nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. That is probably the biggest LIE ever told in all history.

Now don’t get me wrong. This does not make them equal with the left. The Right would have to murder over 50 million babies just to catch up with the Commie-Leftist-Dems and then they’d have to promote perversion for a few decades. But that still does not wash the ‘Rightists’ of their crimes.

These people who preach the idolatrous Holy Founders, Holy Constitution Religion (like Hannity and Limbaugh and Mark Levin and Laura Ingrahmn and Malkin and most of FOX News and …) are just as guilty as Liberals that preach the false religion of Liberalism.

They are lying about the Founders and they know it.

And I understand that they want to prevent the satanic democrats (who are a million times worse) from having power. But this is why the Republican Party is so messed up right now. You can’t lie about something for 50 years and not expect to face judgment.

Just because those Rightists are ‘less evil’ then the left (in some ways) that still does not make them righteous. Many on the right actually use the Bible to spread lies!! Does the Left do that?

The bottom line: The lesser of two Evils is still Evil.

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