GAG WARNING: You might want to consider not being quite sober when you read this post. It is enough to drive any NORMAL Christian woman to embrace a less than sober life-style.
The Pink Flamingo has been working on a prayer journal. The other day, I came across something that caused me to do some research into the cult that is growing up around Christian “Modesty”, Quiverfull, home schooling, and dominionism.
The whole absurd and almost evil “modesty movement” is based on the fact that men can’t control their urges, constantly think about you know what, and so, all good decent Christian women in the US must eventually be put into burka style cover-ups (like the one in the featured photo – no – it’s not Islamic, it is “Christian). We must be covered head to toe so those poor pathetic, defenseless men can control themselves.
If the implications were not so chilling, and the entire movement were not gaining ground so quickly, it would be hilarious. Apparently all these good “Men of God” can think about is sex. Evidently their minds are so dirty, they want temptation put out of the way. Evidently they are NOT normal men. According to the latest study, the average college age guy is not all that consumed with sex and women as are the repressed Christian Patriarchal males. They think more about food, sleep, and their own personal comforts than they did women.
In other words, men like the ones below, who are leaders in the Christian Patriarchal Movement are a bunch of dirty old men who can only think of themselves and objectifying women.
“...It would seem that there are only two reasons why women dress immodestly:
1. A mind problem.
Women do not think through how they look each day in front of a full-length mirror. They should take a few seconds each morning to quickly check the bustline, backside, slits, etc.
2. A heart problem.
Women are now aware of the messages they give when they wear certain types of garments or wear them are an immodest way. Some women continue to wear immodest apparel or try to hide behind excuses or simply know better but do it anyway. They need to be reminded that the harlot was “subtil of heart.” “Subtil” means “cunning” or “clever.” In other words, she knew exactly what she was doing. Christian women need not be “subtil of heart.”
James 4:17 teaches, “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” Before you read this, you possibly did not know better….”
I gather men have no responsibility in this world.
Can I use some bad language here. I really want to do so. There is a movement afoot (embraced by Michele Bachmann) where women don’t really have a brain in their heads, and men must be the head of the household. If we wear anything that isn’t something akin to a burka we are leading them astray. This is just plain stupid. It is also very, very wrong, bigoted, and dangerous.
“…If you are as most women are, much of the material in this article may be new and strange to you. You may not be able to understand it, and may be reluctant to believe it. Some of the women who have read the manuscript can scarcely be persuaded to believe that the male passions are as I represented them, but the men to whom I have submitted it have fully endorsed it. One of them (a godly man and a preacher) said, “I wish I had about two million copies.” I beg you therefore to believe these things, though you may not he able to understand them. Secondly, I beg you to not be content with a single reading of this paper, but rather to study it thoroughly several times through, so that you may fully grasp and remember all that it says. Then, by all means, act upon what it teaches you. And finally, do everything in your power to teach these things to your sisters in Christ. In so doing you will very much oblige, …”
We are living in a very strange world, where brain-less Ron Paul Bots are discussing the fact that women no longer need the right to vote. We’ve disenfranchised men because we vote. As the head of a household, a man should have the vote and not a women. I guess they will soon demand that only the male head of household be allowed to go out and shop.
It ain’t good.
“…Christian Patriarchy teaches that God institutes a divine hierarchical family order. It holds that a woman must always be under the authority/headship of a man, whether that is her father, her husband, or, if widowed, her son. In addition, Christian Patriarchy teaches that the woman’s place is in the home while the man’s place is the public sphere: men are to provide and protect and women are to care for the home and the children. Quiverfull teaches that families must have large numbers of children, sometimes eschewing birth control altogether, to raise up “soldiers for Christ.” …”
Taliban anyone? Unfortunately, this sort of thing is now going on in mainstream denominations, like the Southern Baptists!
“…Mary Mohler believes there are certain clothes Christian women should never wear. Ever.
Whether it be miniskirts, hip-hugger jeans or skin-tight shirts, Mohler — wife of seminary president R. Albert Mohler Jr. — believes they should be avoided. Her reason? Christian women have a biblical obligation to dress modestly and reflect holiness.
And she doesn’t believe that immodest clothing is necessary to be fashionable. Mohler spoke about the biblical view of modesty to a group of women at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in a Sept. 24 event sponsored by the Pendergraph Women’s Ministry at the Louisville, Ky., seminary, that included a brief fashion show showcasing inexpensive, modest fashionable clothes.
The world’s attitude toward fashion, Mohler said, should not be the church’s.
“The [world’s] attitude is if you’ve got it, flaunt it,” she said. “Leave as little to the imagination as possible. Regenerate Christian women, I don’t believe, leave home with this attitude. We seek to live godly, holy lives.”
Nevertheless, immodest dress is a problem in local churches on Sunday mornings, Mohler said. Women may not have a worldly attitude about modesty, but because of naivete, carelessness, busy lifestyles or cultural pressures, some women unknowingly dress immodestly, she said.
She told how she once visited a church that had a dress code.
“I applaud them that they have the boldness to have a dress code,” she said. “It’s for members only. But if a strong conservative church like that has a dress code, what does that tell you? It tells you that there are problems even in that setting where people are coming dressed inappropriately to worship.”…”
Those are the head coverings. Now check out the swimwear. The only time I could even possibly advocate this is fear of melanoma. Then again, all you need is sunscreen!
“…We have several reasons why I wear dresses only. The main reason is not to defraud men with the way I dress. If a lady wears pants, a man’s eyes are drawn to a part of her body they should not be drawn to. This can cause a man to have impure thoughts. The same thing with tight, revealing tops or low-necked blouses. We have heard some say, “But he is responsible for his thoughts!” Yes, that is true, but it is also our responsibility as a godly woman to dress in a way that would not provoke those thoughts. Would you be willing to deny yourself the “pleasure” of dressing the way you want to help a brother in Christ? “Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend” (1 Corinthians 8:13). We could paraphrase it and say, “If a certain type of clothing make my brother to offend, I will not dress that way…”…”
Please, explain the difference?
I seek to encourage you to be feminine, graceful and modest in word, in deed in dress and in manner of living. I pray to encourage you to embrace femininity, to love your husband and to love motherhood and delight in the precious gift the LORD has bestowed upon you creating you to be a woman and calling you as one of His dear children. I pray that you will honour the will of God and seek to emulate the qualities He’s given in His Word and celebrate the gift of womanhood by demonstrating it in all manner of speech, dress, lifestyle, as you guide the home and serve your family and guests who come to your table….”
“…We should seek first to please our Lord in our appearance, and then to please our husbands (or wives). We must also be aware of the effect our choice of clothing may have on those around us. A Christian must be sure her (or his!) appearance is not a stumbling block to others, either as a source of lust or distraction, or as a negative roll model to those whose faith is young. While it is not possible to entirely influence the thoughts of others, a careful analysis of our appearance and the motivation behind what we wear should guide us to appropriate dress and others to a proper thought response.
I have often said we must spend more time looking in the Bible than we do looking in the mirror. Over-adornment in clothing, hair, make-up or accessories often indicates too much time focused on the outside and not enough on what truly matters….”
This is what the men are wearing.
O, how we long to be submissive and O, how we hate it… How we long to be in control of our lives-yet how we long to be led by a strong man. We so competently order our homes, our time and our schedules that we think we could easily run the show completely solo…couldn’t we? Or, could we? What does God say? He says we are to submit ourselves unto our husbands as unto the Lord. We are to live out God’s plan for us. And if we are married and our husband is still living, God’s design is that the husband is the head of the wife, meaning the wife is to live in subjection to him: and both living in subjection to the LORD. But we fear, don’t we!? We fear loss of identity, we fear loss of control, we fear being trapped into a life not of our own choosing, we fear being “used,” we fear being treated poorly or taken for granted, we fear that we won’t be cared for if we allow another to choose for us. All these fears send strong messages to our husbands don’t they. If we pull back and refuse to fully submit, we are telling our husband that he is not worthy of our trust. *We* certainly want to be trusted, but we are often unwilling to allow ourselves to submit to the authority God has placed over us and so we behave in a way that not only does not build trust, but actually tears down trust. …”
I’ve known a few women who believed this way. One was absolutely miserable until she divorced the you know what. I know another who attempted suicide an number of times. I know another who had a spouse who brutally abused her, until she left him. I have never met a woman who lived the life Pamela Spurling constantly advocates who was happy. Every one of them I have met were either physically or emotionally abused.
“...For me, my dresses are a daily reminder that my husband wears the pants in our family and I am created and designed to be *his* help meet…. not the other way around (though he demonstrates sacrificial care and treats me so lovingly). I am continually seeking to wait on him and to not usurp his authority, additionally, I am devoted to protecting my husband’s reputation, and so my appearance is important to what others think of him and his family. This comes from Proverbs 31.11 and 23 Additionally, I have settled these thoughts… so when I get dressed daily, I don’t give my appearance another thought. This helps me not esteem myself so highly that I constantly check my appearance and it also helps me to remain settled in my thinking… I know that I do not have to apologize or be ashamed of my appearance. I know that I may need to brush my hair or freshen up, but I don’t wonder if my dress is too short or too tight or too thin or whatever. This is not at all said in pride or haughtiness. I have never felt real pretty, but I sure wouldn’t feel feminine in clothing I used to wear. You know what I mean about being settled on an issue? It’s an issue you don’t fret over… you don’t constantly revise or rethink it. Every now and then, I get a glimpse of a dress I am wearing and I see it from an angle I don’t see at home and I see that it isn’t quite right, and so I let it go. For this reason, I found it very simple to let go of things I used to consider appropriate. In all, I try to make or to choose pleasant looking clothes that don’t draw attention to myself and yet look feminine and appropriate….”
I am writing a book about American fashion 1860 -1910. In order to do this, I’ve gone through about 10,000 photographs, The book will have about 2100 photos. Trust me, there is NOTHING in this photo that has a basis in fact. It is pure TV fiction. No American girl wore this sort of thing…. not until the far right merged with lala land and went over the rainbow!
These are adorable designs, great for a costume party or Halloween. But, to force a girl to wear this is just plain ABUSE!
What is going on here?
Try this do-do. The premise is the fact that Bathsheba is the one who led David astray. In other words, men are nothing but animals who can’t control their lust. So, women must go about with high necklines, long sleeves, long skirts (only), no make-up, and long hair worn with a scarf.
“…The same is true, of course, when you dress with the top two or three buttons of your blouse unbuttoned. This looks provocative, even if nothing were actually exposed by it. It looks seductive. It looks to a man as though you must design to expose yourself and tantalize his passions. What else can he think? For what other purpose could you leave two of three buttons of your blouse unbuttoned? Do you say it is for comfort? Because you cannot bear a tight choking collar? I believe you could learn to bear it, as the men of the world do in order to display their stylish neckties. But waive that. It may be legitimate to leave your blouse open at the neck for comfort’s sake, and it may even be modest (depending upon the garment), provided you unbutton one button only. There can be no possible reason of excuse for leaving two or three buttons open. It will add nothing to your comfort. It is simply following a wicked fashion of a wicked world. Your collar will no more choke you with one button open than it will with three. One button open will always be a great plenty for comfort’s sake, and with some blouses it will be too much. If you can leave your top button open, yet not expose your breasts when you bend over and the material of your blouse falls away from your bosom, very well. This may depend upon the nature of the blouse, as well as the size of your bust. But if there is any danger of exposing yourself, you had better button all your buttons. You can scarcely be too careful here, for there is no part of a woman’s body so alluring to a man as her breasts, and when a man sees a woman with the top two or three buttons of her blouse open, he will probably conclude that it is her intention to tempt and tantalize men. Is this the impression you wish to give? If not, button your buttons, snap your snaps, and zip your zippers. And if you happen to bend over a little in front of a man, and he sees your breasts actually exposed because of your large, loose, low, or open necklines, unless he is a very rare man, he will be tantalized by the sight, whatever you may think or intend. Therefore you cannot do as the rest of the world does. Let your neckline be high enough and small enough to be in fact a neckline, and not a chest or shoulder line, and you will be safe. Note well: this means that if the neck hole of your garment is large enough to slip over your head, it is probably too large….”
I guess I’m going straight to hell. Every blouse I own is low-cut. I can’t stand anything tight around my throat. It makes me throw-up. There are even rules as to how low your neckline can be.
We all know there is rarely a time when we can purchase a garment with a slit and find that it is already sewn for us to meet our Christian standards. Perhaps you are thinking, “What’s the harm of a few slits? I wear skirts and dresses. That in itself is a big change for me!”
May I give you a good rule of thumb which will answer the above question. A good rule is that your slit should be no higher than two inches from the floor when in an upright kneeling position. Anything higher than that reveals your thigh. Remember, the harlot reveals her merchandise to drum up business. If your slit is higher than the standard given above, you are giving off this message-“Look at my legs.”
5. The too-low neckline.
It is quite frustrating sometimes to shop for a garment which has a high enough neckline to meet our standards. So, many times we settle for what the stores have to offer because we want to stay in style. We can be in style in a modest way without lowering ourselves to the world’s standards.
Find the “U” right below your neck and at the top middle of your collar bone. Now, place your four fingers closed together at the bottom of your “U.” If skin is showing below your four fingers, your garment is too low. Anything worn with a low neckline draws attention to your chest area. Just remember this: “The lower the neckline, the more curious a man gets.” Surely we do not want to put men in that position. I believe many Christian women are ignorantly doing this. When your neckline is too low, you are giving off this message-“Look at my bust.”
6. The tight skirt or tight-fitting part of a dress below the waist.
The following test will determine if your garment fits too tightly below the waist. Stand in front of a full-length mirror. If your skirt cups under your backside or abdomen, it is too tight. One thing I have seen that is a turn-off and quite unbecoming is panty lines showing through a skirt. If the skirt would have been looser, I would not have had to view this, and neither would our Christian men who are trying hard to keep their minds clean. Also, we want to avoid being sensuous. When your skirt is too tight, you are giving off this message-“Look at my backside.”
7. The modestly dressed woman.
She wears an outfit with a high neckline that is loose-fitting around the bust and backside, yet flattering and pretty, under which are the proper undergarments for those sheer areas of the outer garment. The slit is properly sewn or nonexistent. Our attention would seem to be drawn to only one part of her body-her face. Her clothes are worn in such a way that she has made her acquaintance look her in the eye and see her for the lady that she is. When a woman dresses in such a way, she is giving off the message-“Look at my face.” This should be the only area men want to look at when they see us; however, we determine that….”
“…We hope that now, if not before, we all see that dress is an area of submission to Christ. Christian women need a mindset of godly modesty in place in their thinking, an awareness that they cannot afford to just thoughtlessly follow every fashion that this world throws up; God’s glory must be considered in deciding how to dress. That’s what’s needed, isn’t it? We freely acknowledge that many Christian women don’t think about the issue and that is a major part of the problem. We don’t attribute ill motive unless there is no alternative. But now that you do know, then start to distinguish between what is smart and what is sexually provocative. The one is fine. The other is not. Love the Lord, love the Saviour. Adorn the Gospel of God our Saviour in all things including dress. The Lord Jesus Christ suffered and died to redeem his people from all iniquity. Shall we not honour him in all things, men and women, and in this particular area of dress, which is particularly applicable to women? Will you not honour the Lord Jesus Christ and love him who first loved you? “Hate evil, ye that love the Lord.” Turn from that which is wrong. Cling to Biblical standards. Delight in the law of God after the inward man and in outward practice and glorify our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen….”
It is quite rare that you find a half-way decent historical perspective on how women should dress, and still be “Christian”. I am not familiar with Michael F. Blume, but I found this commentary to be very well done.
Keep ’em barefoot, pregnant, and uneducated!
“…By serving her mother, creating a peaceful home atmosphere, and furthering her father’s goals, this young woman is a blessing to her family and to others. Her secret is placing herself under her father’s authority and at his disposal, content in her God-given role. This daily training has another reward—she will be well-fitted for marriage as a help-meet suitable for her husband. Fellow daughters, do you truly work at pleasing your father and helping him to accomplish his goals? Do you enjoy spending time with him? Let us all work on improving in these areas, so we can be a blessing to the world—through our loving service at home!
Where are all the daughters in the Bible? Except for the tragic story of Dinah, the daughters are found in their fathers’ homes. In fact, that was the norm until the 1900s! In our day and age, this may seem like a strange concept, but the fact is still there—for roughly six millennia, young women were under their father’s roof and protection until given in marriage. Psalm 45:13 says, “The king’s daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold.” The Hebrew word for “within” is paniymah, which means, roughly, “inside,” or “in the palace.” We are all glorious within the palace—our greatest beauty comes when we are serving our father from our home, not running around out in the world somewhere.  I encourage you, daughters, to strive to delight in your father and take joy in serving and pleasing him, for then God is glorified, and our culture is transformed.
What are the consequences if we do not embrace this vision of Biblical daughterhood? Initially, if we pridefully look down upon our earthly father or refuse to joyously submit to him, we are casting a slur upon the name and plans of our Heavenly Father. Ultimately, however, we will be unprepared for marriage, and will have to painfully re-learn things like submission, cheerful support, and delighted home-keeping. Obviously, it will sometimes be hard to cheerfully submit to our father’s decisions or plans, but when that happens we can quietly trust our Heavenly Father, since He has pre-ordained all that is happening in our lives. When we are tempted to lose that trust, we can remember Romans 8:28, which says, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” How comforting to know that our Heavenly Father will use all situations for our good! Another area that we often are tried in is contentment. How easy it is to long for the spotlight that girls who are on their own have—how easy to wish for less drudgery and more independence—but Psalm 73:2-3 & 18-19 reminds us,…”
It is about serving the husband and the father.
“…On our second Sunday at Boerne Christian Assembly, Doug and Beall Phillips introduced us to a special guest – Jennie Chancey. After the meeting of the church (the worship service), Doug invited Jennie Chancey to formally meet with all the women and talk to them about college. Jennie Chancey began relating why it was so evil for women and girls to go to college, especially outside the home. She related some of her own experiences at King College, where she received a BA in English, but in a way that was intended to warn others not to let their daughters attend institutes of higher learning. On her bio page, (since removed) very near the top, Jennie Chancey lists her educational qualifications for the business she runs out of her home. I guess that degree wasn’t so bad after all!
I was bold enough to ask the obvious: “What do unwed young ladies do all day?” Jennie’s answer, and the answer of every young lady in that congregation was, “Serve her father.” Some had family businesses and that was a great answer. They were working hard all day, learning skills, and helping the family to earn a living. But I know many that don’t fall into that category. Don’t get me wrong, nearly all the young ladies at Boerne Christian Assembly are wonderful young ladies, and would make great stay-at-home wives. But are they prepared to homeschool sons someday? How are their sons going to learn to do great things for the Lord if the moms aren’t educated enough to be able to teach them?…