I am not a philosopher or an expert in government. But, I know my history. I know it is just as important for the Feds to stay out of a church’s religious practices as it is for practitioners of any religion to shut up already yet and not dictate to the Feds. It’s that simple.
They are symbiotic parasites, feeding off one another with a delicate balance that is insane. It allows for pandering politicians to manipulate various religious groups for votes. In many ways it is a terribly dishonest system, but it works. Right now we are dealing with an increasingly incompetent POTUS who is using his power to promote an increasingly unpopular law. The very institutions and individuals who helped him pass this law are now crying foul.
There is no honor among thieves.
As much as I admire and respect the Catholic Church, they cannot be allowed to dictate policy, no more that the ECUSA, various mosques, or any other religious institution. If they do, then we are on a slippery slope to allowing sharia law being allowed. The Obama Administration has no business telling the Church what they can and cannot do, but the Church has no business dictating terms to the Obama Administration – or any other administration.
I am beginning to suspect this is a liberal view it one way and conservative view it another way fiasco.
This is NOT about birth control, insurance, abortion, or anything else reproductive. This is about the steady encroachment of church and state. The irony here is that the Protestant religious right has brought all of this on themselves by being so narrow-minded. It’s too bad there is no reason here.
- The Feds have no right telling the Catholic Church to furnish reproductive insurance for employees – or do they?
- If the localized “institution” is taking Federal taxpayer money, it seems to me, that specific location has bowed to Caesar.
- If you don’t want to provide for such reproductive items then don’t take taxpayer money – for anything.
- If a woman is working for one of these institutions and she is pissed, then get another job. Anyone who goes to work for the Church is an idiot of they don’t know the stand on these things.
- Why the heck should taxpayers be supplementing or paying for contraceptives in the first place? If a person can’t afford them then quit fooling around.
- You can’t legislate morality. Give it a rest. Men are men and women are women and they are forever going to exchange information as to the process that may or may not lead to the production of off-spring.
- If students going to a Catholic college want birth control, then go somewhere else to school. It’s like this, if students who go to BYU are required to have a code of behavior, that probably doesn’t include birth control, then why the heck must Catholic churches do the same?
- If Catholic schools are privately funded, with no tax payer money, then the Feds have no right to tell them right to do.
- Why can’t we tell people to pay for their own damn birth control?
- If a pharmacist doesn’t want to fill prescriptions for such items then get another career.
I don’t want to open a can of worms here, but if the Catholic Church is able to tell Washington what they are and are not going to do when it comes to contraceptives, then it looks to The Pink Flamingo like every hard-line Islam can demand the Feds allow them to circumcised their little girls.
Why the heck must the Obama Administration tell everyone how to live their lives? In many ways this has absolutely NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with the nanny state. I think we would be much better off leaving religion alone and discussing how Obama’s lovely little liberals want to regulate every part of our lives. That’s the real argument here, isn’t?
Then there is the increasingly insanely hard line approach some conservatives are taking about birth control, RU-486, abortion in the case of rape or incest. It is getting quite old.
Let’s face facts here, neither side is behaving very well. Both sides are pandering to their base in an election year. Everyone has egg on their dirty little faces here. No one is perfect. It is disgusting, pathetic, and intellectually dishonest. The same group of liberal Catholics who were behind Obama Care are now the very ones crying foul. The same conservatives who constantly cry about church and state, are well, crying about church and state.
This is NOT really about church and state. This is part of Obama’s preening for fall. It is about Obama Care. If you don’t see the battle that is just being enjoined, then you are missing the whole nasty little bit. The only salvation here is to declare the whole blasted thing unconstitutional. I’m not sure if that is going to happen.
“…That “something else” has a lot to do with the complexities of religious loyalty, as I’ve said. But it also has to do with a basic commitment to the kind of institutional pluralism and tolerance of principled dissent that the United States has always wisely tried to cultivate. And here I find Drum’s overall perspective simply appalling. The idea that the state should only “tread carefully” on issues of liberty, conscience and freedom of religion in areas where polling data shows significant support for the position or community in question is a recipe for majoritarian tyranny and government overreach. The logic that he’s applying to orthodox Catholics could be applied just as easily to the Amish, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Orthodox Jews, and a host of other groups that don’t have the kind of institutional resources that Roman Catholicism can muster in its own defense. Yes, sometimes state interests are compelling enough to trump religious liberties, and defenders of this mandate have every right to make that case. But the argument that the state’s interests can trump religious liberties so long as the group of people being asked to violate their consciences is small enough is not an argument at all. It’s just a raw appeal to power….”
Does anyone dare suggest that the Catholic Church is woefully out of date when it comes to contraception? I fully understand the historical reasons for promoting and demanding men and women go forth and multiply. There have been numerous times when this planet was in great danger of not being able sustain Homo sapiens. The Lord told Adam and Eve to go forth and people the Earth. Looks like their descendants did a very good job of just that.
I know this will annoy or even anger some of my very good Catholic friends, but where does it stop? Why should families who do not want a large number of children be forced to live in some sort of limbo because they are not abiding by an edict that out to be changed, with the times?
That would solve the whole problem. The problem is we are sorely lacking in wisdom and reason in this world, especially when it comes to religion and politics in this Age of Extremism.